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Is the phone number or you can email a slide at CEO guys that Yahoo.com. And Danny you got an email. What have I got this from Greg the guy from the traditional archery place well yeah. And he said Dan mentioned that he would like to replace his beer bowl it might be re parable. He meet meet you still have it. No Hoch and relax anyway Greg but he says you might be able to find one at one of our shoots deserves a lot of vendors who Kamal on the attend them. And you can contact one of the vendors. The highly recommended it's called the footed shafts. The footed shaft and so they. We old Mick footed Mitch shaft and meet footed me chaff and so. Okay well thanks Greg yeah I probably you know I've thought about trying to pick let me do sell re curves again but I don't like. They got like. It's like they're kind of like screwed. If you look where the limbs come out of limbs are screwed into the yeah I don't know I bet I'd like in one piece the look of the great adult the one there or Ben appears yeah bold battle in the eighties in the day. Well I think what the reason they're doing that is because they they test those limbs so that they have the right hole the weight bearing harmonics well is the right pull way could you can get one limb that's little stiffer in one limb that's a little. Less stiff. So you might have won pulling at ten pounds on one side and five on the other and that's gonna put it off they wanna get goes about his evenly matched as possible. They Fred bear made him just fine years ago you know you go ahead and ask PLO Israeli air blows were just fine as far as served what he's a link so you know what I would like to shoot some time that or try and what you don't you don't like that he's on what's about money archery shooting way back when you know it's not the director rotator cuff. Every guy Lewis our rotator and it's like I hung around with bunt to muscle heads you know anyway so big gym rats we all wrecked everything anyway but I wouldn't mind trying and those those distant long blows in trying to hit a target a hundred yards away years my way out. Cousin Stephen. Odd ball twenty years ago got into reading about traditional archery. Greg go like this. And he read all the books in he went out and he actually got. Result would be Indian way of may inmate is a long both thought we did and he was shooting pretty fast there are guys at the range up and to lose that we're trying to buy them off of them. He was approach and some pretty good speed and he had he studied at. Yet to get the right kind of would hanging maple I wanna say got maple but. Could be wrong and then for the but did he do for the it there for one party had the of anyway is only. Buckskin clothing as well the way I Indians did ask any hand it using a method where you had to. Take the brains from a deer with a brain handing method. Any took on any blended Jimenez blender. Who don't know the and I ask them later said that's not the same blender you make here and no team Jason movies and only had a a blind and the ethic he. He made it in many took northern pike skins and put him Conrail itself for the camel. Yeah pretty interest in but. Boy what a process that while I'll say. Yeah I'll throw it but I just think it's cool law these guys can shoot a 10200 yards or whatever it is they should a long distance and they put those targets. Facing the sky almost a little bit of an angle and you got to try to hit those things from a couple hundred yards I that's pretty. Well with that with the re curve I had nothing but mishap site and never hunted depth much. Avidly with it but I'd get fired up and trying to set up a stand in the follow normally seen nothing but when time and what with some guys in nineteen. 81 worked in construction with these guys. And we drove up they had some place mid state where there were so many deer they actually had it in and out the field that would fired this caramel and only now in it you could hunt there there's public hunting. And let me tell you I remember walking in the dark opening day a season through these cornfields and in standing court in dear you could hear crash enough everywhere. So I got it I got it. All when I got in there. And early in the dark. I had my bowl in you know you got to string on it in and I had a grabbed an aero and went to knock an aero in in the dark I hit the string with the razor with the bear razor. All and I broke the string on announced says standing on the ground ready to hunt for the morning. It's not like oh well I'll just hitting and generally year olds like you spear that's all been really tell everybody's done. Within I had an alien movements so I. Look up I went about twenty yards and no in took a dump up in Syria enough about an hour later this occurred deer come through right. It won't ever forget me I'm. The news is big bill along with a its nose to the ground. Don't know if mid race. It hit it hit the pile right. Shape shifts deer jumps. Up they need and took off. Who I got if you play a little. I they don't all agree that it's like crap only. I thought a lot. If all America thank Bill Clinton think they'd bullet after. You know like humans so then so then after. I think get together with the guys again I'm like I need to string for the ball and we drove all over in the middle of nowhere there were no big it's big box store is back in the day. We went to as a small little place and we found a string but it wasn't the right size string. We figured good enough that'll work. So Serena that night I had a I had to do here and a little dummy come both been. Six yards away Tom is this tiny little vehicle lock and right Miami so it's a chip shot right. I pulled pec and shot. That was a wrong string that I was like like boom it just went like a boomerang it did not go straight I shot amount like it just went. Curving right behind the I just I just called at a rampant in wanted out of the wheel but the Vatican's if you can't hit when it's six yards you're all done out fighting added. I would've got a gear that yeah I'd have had not you know Proehl placed yeah. You know that is another time I had another one up and marinate coney. I had another one of stock in through the woods and another little dummy came walk in the other direction so I froze. And if ten yards away broad side I thought this is that I got him. And I shot and Tom it was that one little invisible twig. Between me in the deer in the aero hits one little thing in I think it's off it's off yeah. Well I told you're and that's how I hit my first year bow hunting right if you wouldn't have been for the tree branch deflecting the or ought to never would hit the deer. Well my work the opposite up a well I never did find it anyway. My work the opposite but yeah a lot of guys used to fling a lot of air as a dear no one of the craziest stories I heard. Buddy of mine he without initial years ago Randy led me. The minor led been a however you want to pronounce that he never cared he is 10 as that Butler creek about Iraq ranch up in Michigan home he was in the studio years ago maybe where. I don't even as before your time here so yeah he's got a wild game you know deer deer hunting place up there in Michigan. But he living Green Bay at the time. But he grew up in Q want to count any told me the story how the deer was runner across the field by his arm years ago as a kid. And of course nobody would ever do this now but is is your young we are falling in aero of the deer winner we got a chance he aimed. Up and this guy in launched one just wants to like you're knocked in my a rainbow. In aero went straight up in teams create sound. In hit this year are right in the head. In doubt went up. A dull he got it off it was like a miracle. One and Milton shot exactly and his one and millions yeah and English that the type that would be SI and believed to meet told me the third fact he went up to. Alaska. Two or three times and shot grizzly bear. And I had an opportunity in 1992. He called me up pieces bush he says some guys put 12100 dollars down and hunt they can't go they can apply it for you. It would cost me about five grand. To go up and in get getting grizzly I think it's more the coastal ones it's. They're not like along the streams a you know for the our coastal brown Bears. Soaked food so it's more than a smaller interior Grizzlies. But he had done he had to that he shot and got full months and now I wish looking back on and I wish they'd taken advantage of that because. You're not gonna get a hunt for anything less than I don't know sixteen and 181000 now Spencer. Now and again a month it is expensive. Well listen we're gonna we're gonna take a break of we will get through a wall I spoke as we're gonna talk about like what. You know colors of the jigs to use from all eyes to use live bait not use my big please stinger hoax not used thing Oates what's Zdeno excellent colors Dinara. All that kind of did every where you wanted to know about stinger hooks but were afraid yeah but when we come back after this break we're gonna tell you if there was a winner in the Larry Smith I'll tell you what contest. Because if you do get it right you are no no win of one year's subscription to the badgers sportsman magazine free of charge. And so we need a contestant who played the Larry Smith I'll tell you what. Scott says it will be right back with more. We welcome back. To the midwest and shooters supply. Cutting edge out cars from damn time Greg. Thanks for listening. Okay yes. Last week Danny okay well we got a caller now who wants to play I'll tell you what wrong Larry Bird and it's show. Last week we had a winner. The under over was didn't eight and a half the contestant picked the over. And he won it was hilarious and it's good to badger sports and Megan and you know he's got a 18 is any interruption. And he guessed the over and Larry Smith said it twelve times. So. You know what though I I. I think I'm gonna keep the under over the same eight and a half I think and we keep did the same really have a who's gonna play this week a life. Put in my pocket and serie we have Larry I'm okay they Larry good morning. You Susan Larry Smith does her. Larry do you watch salaries withheld or show. Under our rights are you know he says I'll tell you and a couple of times during children. Yeah so I'm gonna keep the under over at eight and a half so do you think Larry Smith is gonna say I'll tell you what. Nine or more times or eight or less. Could Cody over is well on Tom's gonna have to start move in that line hire Larry. Later. When my idol and they get it yeah man exactly the hassle and it's probably would. Wonder about last decent ones left a lot of them are just too watered down infomercial and same old stuff over and over again. Okay well will be counting tomorrow to find out on the good thanks for listening stakes Leary went out I thought yup. So O'Leary's they in the over they'll be funny now. Getting to wall eyes Danny got skipped this well is this they're not mention any right now commonly called now other parts I hear now. Sucks there are guys who are pitching did not talent anybody out I mean there's no twelve hours. Not even a manager in a bowl I England I could see eighteen inch eventually. Now I could take you out right now. Some place no way we pencil and we catch a live one day got you I don't know are we catch a limit because the limit is. Like on the fox river he wouldn't get to make thing of the limit up there is one fish over Tony eight inches. So yeah I saw I don't know we catch a limit bit closer to the last and they Atalanta fox would talk and while you can catch fish and the rock. Right now but whether or not yet illegal on if and I'm talking I don't know those that he throws like Ella but but the thing is is when it comes now we might have. Audit audience of people on choose me listeners. People in the audience that might you know most swear by one colored jig or another but. You know there's a lot of questions that guys have when you're going wallet fishing near like if they're using jigs. What color objection I use with ties take it and I use but I guess. The final corner Otis didn't not while I Jaeger right okay. If I had one color while I JT I think I'd used her truths. I would be good a good choice shirt. You've got to try. And or the shark truce and orange but here's a thing when you're efficient in in a river twenty feet down nutrition river channel twenty feet down. He gonna see anything anyway that's so dark down there in no lights get none especially on a cloudy day. It doesn't really matter what color it is it and it usually doesn't matter but there are times color matters big time okay. But it always does and another really good color combination that's really good is purple and blues. Purple don't ask me why it's a lot of guys use on the kids finish on them. But then you know he got to the stinger hook and all that in the weight and body and mind as a kid growing up swore by a purple Beatles and for awhile lies owner and I wouldn't doubt it. That would be purple beatle fan. But the thing is is that than you gotta ask yourself to you slightly to use artificial when I used to fish fox river a lot of but it appeared in Green Bay. And every slightly there was always artificial but wanna finish the rock river it's dig in middle. Let me ask Tom to those medals like in the uncle just tape bottles to those worked of the preserved mental well I. I'd I don't know I never use you never use them now cast this curious note what do I don't think you make those anymore either. And you certain I'm pretty sure they don't make those anymore than I was I don't know positive I'm not talking maybe summed it Collison tells Ellis and they were. You have by an ankle in beater there where but outrage you know. People you know what people don't look at this time of the year for wall eyes his crank baits big a lot of guys just go with the jig in medal taken melons and you know that's solid use. They forget about the critic crank baits how good Craig Pixar is what time of the year in what you want to do is really work its low. Well yeah I you work at. Well it doesn't have to eat it ain't gonna be real slow but the wobbles going to be holed a heavy it depends on how much current dues in the river red and own it depends on that. But yeah I think it's you know you just want to get the right depth. That's the main thing get the rate debt you know because otherwise you'll be paying an up on the bottom and losing not by 67 dollar crank baits Lester. Now you're as the years ago one of the deadliest techniques that I used to use for route from trial and off by the un nuclear plant them there by Two Rivers in Q wanting. Was I would get like a wolf river rig. Have bought one ounce drop line it went about six inches down and then I'd have the main line of about twenty inches and I'd use. A small floating wrap a lot and picked it get the small little one inch rainbow Trout pattern. In I would just let that out into the discharge. And you just leader in the weight would be just enough to get it down and that. In the discharge you see that little rappel Rick you know when you risk when it was calls before I let it out I guess I'd let it out as far as I could while still maintaining tension on the line. And then I just take like an old soccer Reagan just. I am not around my ride and leave it against the railing and I go sit down and and read a book or hill Rodman ever and you know all of sudden you see that rod Boston and you he'd be hooked it was deadly I would I'll fish the guys who were throwing L wives and moan about the B what are you doing half. And I'll bet she could do the same thing in a river if there's enough current where you shirt that goal back in and you just let that but that crank bait just worked places were great. There he had to sit there wiggle and I don't see why not you know a lot of guys you know you newer fisherman toe and new people who wallet fishing in the they'd be looked at these you know there's a lot of people are using like three eighths and half phones to exotic Rivers with a lot of current. And there's sin. Boy that's a lot of weight and doesn't add while I feel that when they stopped it and you know I mean no. I mean UN they talked what yet you would think though that yeah this you know that you'd you'd think that the Wally would know that their their big ol' uncle Lenin that small. But if you've got a stinger hooked on or even without a stinger when they suck it and you know it's that you they're they're not feeling the weight when he initially opened their moll disrupted him. But once it did yeah they might spit it out of buy it like you said it's too late because now you're set not. Hopefully although. Fish can. Sometimes in so at least it's something not all yeah in and I'm and I yeah I think I. Everett told about the time there is about in on a sixth home bath outside small keys by my place when I was grilling him. I tried to throw a night crawler out and another smaller bath grabbed at the net basket big one got spooky and disappeared. So is cooking Turkey burgers on the grill. In one fell on the ground in our later and I just casually flipped it in the water I mean I guess they should have been but has biodegradable it was just as a muddy green and a piece of meat and anyway this is. Asked sucked it in him in swam about ten feet in from civilian. I just didn't quite get this like a Turkey birdie out the item on a night crawler met either. I actually watched them words they've taken like a plastic warmer micro or some. You know they sucked it in and when you're just about the set the hook they spit it back out I mean it happens so fast before you can set the hook that they've spent it already I think some reason yeah I have. Experience figure eight for muskie this was on lake of the woods years ago. I had about a 4243. Inch muskie come in hot. And I was work in in in a figure eight and 11 way that I've found that really works if you got a hot one Knowles on it. What I'll do on one after I make one of the turns out go down as deep as I can and fast. And rip it as fast as they canned. And then I'll come up with Colts lol why they'd turn the and like a race car slowed and Allen after the straightaway come up and come up. And they'll come up like clockwork in grab it and I watched this fish still at in a song grab it felt the ticked. And I did a quick little hook set back into the reform it's mouth and caught it. But if I hadn't seen the finish. All I would have felt with the tick yeah a while I think yeah takes. So later that week we had raised about 48 answer and I went there right before dark in here I see this is common in. And I'm figure aiding and I made the maneuver. In as I've made this wide turn which I'd learned earlier. I felt the tick. But it was dark and I couldn't really see the fish well there was a ticked. And I went to set and I saw the flash and it was gone it he had grabbed and let go out that fast and then. The next year I was on lake of the woods in a had a top water another mid forties came in. I went down below us figure eight and it was right before dark. And I made a wide turn my buddy Scott goes you got. And I felt the tick again in and then it was gone any city actually saw the fish. Tebow and grab it and let go in one instant it just grabbed it in let let Zeljko if you didn't see yet you win you many don't get in the I do and what. Was that ticked off I got a quick question for you know our audience is gonna ask that when an eagerness what's that got to do with Wallace finishing well that's not. Very. Okay tell I don't want. We're talking about this and Baylor and letting it go out and grab him bill bill that you know I I got teased quite heavily one time. Who was an Opel my son Chris and I think sell. Different styles in oh. And we were on a pound walk leak and bringing in a book you know and yours this must be in that they you know opportunities may be right behind right. And reeling in and you see that we could see it come up and it opens a smile the book notes and its moral. Right I set the hook before closed its mouth pulled it right out of its ball. Well right up. If like post again I'd be game look he admits headache and you know what in it was funny because. All three of us could see it was a bright sunny day we don't we can all see it it was like only like a foot under the surface you know wasn't that far from the ball you know ten feet maybe. And yet you open is my all but to win and I pulled pulled it out it's like are you kidding me in my that they'll. About Garland I got out there you I think it did that adrenaline accounts for a lot of our right we don't argue or you don't and update again. Yes okay then we're gonna go to the rim clearing it is not their buddy yeah we're gonna do us the update with great find out how Wisconsin Marquette badgers Packers whoever. Could see what's going none. Right with the late. In. RA will be right again. Welcome back to the mid western shooters like cutting edge outdoors. I'm Dan wealthy landowner wealthy single street landowner from Douglas County how mom eagerly anticipating our. Wealthy singles straight landowner from Douglas colony that. Wealthy single straight landowners from Douglas counting on we have our march. Yeah I thought you had to mark know we we delayed it can be couldn't get we could gather enough single straight wealthy landowners from Douglas come fast enough. On new hope we get on the line we have Dennis Royce they are. Our boulder jinx in. And excel being Dennis are you doing. Solo Dennis tell us what who who won the big contests out at the sport shall last week. But I had had some one reason I called. Chris and Sherry hadn't won the first place prize. Okay. Is matter of fact she's won a number of things. You know sheet. Sherri will laugh college you don't get free stuff we get her name every now and then I don't remember yeah in but I let it get remember anybody's name you remember this no well that's because I got a mail list thought OK. But. Never mind anyway and second place. Second place was keen. The BC LCC well so I think you are not. Well I think he's gonna very regular listeners to yeah yeah they'd bought it we have that was orders all the normal people stopping as they'll also. I sit lawyer six was a lot more of that now. That's I had Oakland and well you know they've had kids now it's double it fifth off the hook up. Well that's good that's. We had a good in a lot of people stop by this bill hall and and say they must generational and enjoy the report from the north and they indictment places up here so they kind of like there are those who received a score on our yeah. Yeah definitely it's cool good. And right now we I got out of there as well for a barely got it's also almost all been. Aaron Walker Cup won't work with and I'll and it's snowing up here a little bit when they're still finding our east early church in. And pitching knowledge ability you can do what Aaron this year should start that well and there's twenty inches right on the lake. While the final run and yet yeah our nation and are currently own probably chips that are a lot. You know I gutters are. Well if you got twenty inches of bodies and you're Byron your buddy's car who cares. So all that straight but got to watch it sure that's that we all yeah yeah anybody snowmobile thing at all. Not so although trailed are all closed at record the bottle not just during the sport show on the start or four. Fall River walk we'll appeared out social building has pretty much over. If you get national long are you almost have to be here and and to a right and losses trails are well you know what to trails are closed. The course record and it'll reopen jumper for any amount watched all of because they have experienced back. You know. Well it's not too long oh not too far away Dennis not too long now in things will be really cook and up there in the north country deletes will be open not too long from known. They're up that's for sure we're looking forward to blue water and I know you've got that's so rare but that's when you know while it's where we didn't appear on the year. Ice conditions are still looking up picked out displaced fishing in the whether it's nice not the warming up courtesy its crown plaza while. You know top to tire Dennis Thomas talking about Jay getting spring while lies in I know you fished the opener up there and I'm guessing you jig. That was deep we lined the other preference as far as color of dig. We started to handle it I yellow. Real bright yellow GA went a little better read out at errant. We just use that religiously and we've gone now to a dark. Who was. Spackle and it are purple belt Leuer dark purple would expect or as small as it that you can get away you is we're getting down in depth. It'll depending on the world of the leather course. But. Aaron. Chip with a metal and that was probably does the best bait to use in the spring of the year we did that pretty much more of the summer but. We resort to plug in Jake's during the time when things get slow the chicken the middle seemed to be the top date right now on the darker colors. Boos and purples and we've gone to a sparkle but it. Reflecting on and that are losing purples. We make them ourselves but. It's seems to be that hot color right now for us anyway and really talked a lot of people who may have another. Denis through eight and do you know now you're fishing you know when you're when you're fishing your wallets in the lakes up there in the you know your fishing shallower water. You know and and it's usually clearer water a lot of your lakes you know. Not me not all of whom some of mark T stained bugs lot of Clearwater. You use. Stinger hooks on the back your jigs or not. I'd try it. They do work on them when the fighters once you might try to at least when you're in your opposition it. People like archery adjustments that this there what works what's going well. I'm not I don't use of a lot but we I didn't have in my box or a tackle people I want salaam experiment in. They do work because you if you get those polls like bites you know missiles searched. Well you know the reason you know I never never use a stinger cook when I was fishing up north for wall lies in on the Clearwater lakes but in Rivers. You know when you get their current flowing in these fish are laying down there and you know it they're like reaction strikes they'd they'd be. The swiped at it and that's why you know a lot of people down here on Rivers will use the stinger hook because the fish sometimes always don't get the whole thing you know. Move it and they do sleeping and it you know your mental stepped up there at the and that fish to grab that there investing or what is back towards you know the reverend. You're gonna capsules finish. Yeah and that's why I it. Why I generally like using the the short changed. Oddities jigs you know the hooks and have a short shank on them were the hook is closer to the head but well I'm glad to hear you like to purples and blues you know. I'm gonna Simon just said Ian Tom is one of the smartest the only thing I know he junior Sam and union yeah. But my anyway. Watched gigs who has been. Jake business they'll break. Yellow and I see Owens such are. Sharks threw a yellow shirt truce which is different than a green shirt troops. Under yellow ones dream it's right. Internet are gonna be. A role did and I. Our idol Dennis we got to get going we'll talk to you later. I'm all involved we won't honestly I'm of this hole and you're destined to move administration will keep you want to. All right all right then renovations to them and have a good weekend aren't you later it by now. Ball and we got to go to one less break and when you come back you're gonna tell us about those some about eager question. He's and I leave money on the little Turkey hunt they need Jiddah listened to they got a question or less it. That you might wanna call in the end called banning human answered Anita elder Turkey questioned so will be right well they need help with a moral of the midwestern sugar spice cutting edge outdoors presented by interstate heating. Welcome back to the final segment of the mid western shooters supply cutting edge outdoors from the inner state heating studios. And here's my here's my question Tom may be somebody on the whole. I'm gonna go in trying to get a spring Turkey techno they go once they'll. The twentieth and 21. With today today's 1818. Who Monday and Tuesday full for our listeners don't forget there's. You can go to online and you can check and see where you know extra tags and for what weeks. But. Anyway if I if I go Turkey hunting. What. What kind of choke you know I got to have 870. That I got the eight semi expresses a three choke tubes in our guy have a full choked but now I see all these Turkey chilled tubes had. Sporting goods star and they got all kinds in different models and different. Strokes for Turkey Turkey yeah yeah in I'm wondering. Will my regular full choke. Is that enough constriction. To make a long shot on a gambler. Or two I have to get one of those ultra tight Turkey chokes I don't know and part of me thinks you know what and then low they make some really good. But now my brother swears by the which is that all he's got one of the deluxe expensive one thing he said it makes a difference for. So for pattern thing I know Winchester has the long beard so if anybody has any suggestions give me a crop. 7991250. Because in trying to determine whether it should buy the choker not. See I've all I mean I've never hunted turkeys but I have always heard. No bio people who do Turkey hunt that the full choke is the way to go. There were not only raced like these Turkey took their like extra extra full tilt in more constriction. I mean I don't I think he would wind. Alou a little bit of a pain I think you'd want to have pulled shall pattern though because. Well then again if it's constricted it's at thirty yards maybe you're only pattern is you know foot and a half for two feet whereas otherwise in my. Well I guess you got to try and work Alex EIU gotta get as many talents in their the united millionaire had it and I guess 'cause you know. Turkey brains that are notoriously small and is that our their nervous with spinal fifth. You got to hit him in the nervous system I guess and now you got a blast them with in awesome pallets are. I don't know about some basic Turkey loads I think about some Remington nitro three inched Turkey loads the number six but then I'm thinking well. Maybe I need something different I just spots for the heck of it mama and I'm thinking do I get those big expensive. And I suppose it's all about if you're going to get a close shot it probably doesn't matter. A whole lot motion right now but I do poking out their forty yards. I think I talked to else shook and he said he just uses he doesn't use any special big you know some guys get big Turkey guns which are. Just for Turkey's yeah got an extra long career I had bums behind enemy had instances from what I read on studies. They did some studies really compared to three in three and a half inch meg Mims. In it really doesn't make any difference inside of forty yards. But from forty more edit if you get issue when it 5060 yards that's when. You'd put more now what I eat in there I guess it's more for a long range -- gonna take a long range Falconer Byrd. Well then and then that I would never recommend I mean what I learned that years ago one of the differences. I mean yes your meg Menem's have. Big more power of them you know. But I guess it's just the bigger shot but tires on got Baylor more more shot than it yes. And and it's not so much you don't get that much more of distance but what you get is a whole lot more BB he's out there which gives you a much better chance of hitting wherever you shouldn't and I used to have a ten engage yours ago. And demonic period general physical and get an idea what model what kind of it was a Mercury maiden Spain. It was really cool it had an and grieve nickel receiver and all that it was really nice should go to the offensive how'd you get it. Little long bomb missed hurry all really but I am I know aren't right right friend don't know I was showed an ever sold it but I'll take it it was one of those things it was. It was mainly for duck and goose hunting and double the yes it was yes it was a double barrel side by side. But the thing is is that you when monitored her own for pheasant hunt it was just too darn heavy aren't. But I'd I learned that. That and a lot of guys thought that if you got a ten year age that if you could shoot a dog on offense and at a hundred nerds are some no no knowledge has had more BP's and it. I mean yes you could you can poke out or little bit further than a twelve gauge may be another 55 yards or may be tenure it. But aside from that no lot of guys were used in -- engages trying to blast. DC you've seen guys trying to shoot he's that are sold for. Yeah it's from what I did you ever go to a wounded keys. Older nasty line auditor try to bite you. I Hitler Michael lets at that and that's sat. I. I from what I've. Read now Tom is that. There is with the advent of the twelve three and a half inch twelve gauge make no you especially in some of the automatic. Fire in or shotguns. That there's really no need for it to engage anymore and that no other requirements of that and you do I wanna get if you're going to be shoot a lot of three and a half inch made them. You want you want an automatic that's going to take a lot of the pounding from the recoil. Scott acute care half. Yeah sorted that can give you genetic that was a three and a half inch Shell and ye shall. At mcdonalds acute while it's contrasting if you look at in some manufacturers acts being raped. The hum. Or not manufacture that read some magazines where they rated loads and they would actually put the foot pounds of recoil. You got a lot of those make them shot and loads that are like pushing fifty foot on the recoil well. You know I I think it Winchester 458. Make them elephant rifle is like a 58 then I think go whether be. For sixty Megan's lake seven years thump and Jim owns a recoil but bowler shotgun loads. Fishy if you get a late shotgun again for years ago I issue with what barreled one with him Magnum load the took a couple shots for my dad just to make sure it was on a shot like three times I do want to shoot it'd anymore. Doesn't fun little that would you know now it's interesting it's when you're shooting at game though. Does embody. In all like that 87 express I have isn't the heaviest in the world. But when I shoot mills made them goose loads three inch 15100 feet per second BB. Last year from when I was out there doing their early goose. It didn't bother me at all that you're shoot Ned. If if I did get tired after a while but Holm get and I help pounded. I'd I'd pick you know I I have my sawed off shotgun which is totally legal pistol grips on outshot them. I I picked me up they T else I know it's perfectly calm and perfectly legal and then it doesn't as taxes and I cannot napping Danny at that and I pattern that shot gun and I did put in some seven and a half loads but well the attractive young lady archery shooting. Well that's I wanted to it's. She is it. What's her name again and she's undo north outdoors with thumb. I don't blonde. Well anyway I pattern that eighteen and a half into the old flannel was seven and a half shot all right I put up a it would but when you're doing your fault Greg what are you doing in the tournament of the year he had the bowling ball moved. Contraptions and you weren't looking at the bowl your wasn't tech in the Tikka. Good to be a guy go ahead nine aren't I'm I'm sorry not I thought I'm not great I'm done why did you have I'll I'll tell you drag extremely distracted like that a we are talking about partnerships shows any a pretty girl on TV and he gets distracted I was trying to get that back on the job back there that again and his duties Laura Shara. Yeah I know Sarasota shape glare at their sump and Laura. She's not there anymore we're dueled her Tom. You're never too old now you know I was at a party does it party years ago with my buddy's wife she's probably he's probably listening now Bally fitness. And I was in my late thirties at that time. In a reason Christmas party not only top look at rove it's instructors wearing the short little black dresses and walking around and dozens buddy's wife she goes. I used to be that. That hot little girl wearing a little black dress and I looked at her and I said I used to be that guy and I love her and a little black dress we both had a heavy sigh and that back yeah unknown and an old lady in a do what they're gonna do. Thread well will probably be can do is planned for next week will laws that are around meeting agenda schedules. Implant does so as usual. Yeah we had everything planned it well then we're like a Swiss walks yeah I say that facetiously folks at. Think we're she's just the spell that though no thank you but I got. Yeah our listeners thanks for lessen it and god bless and stay free every who weren't. You've been listening to the mid western shooters like cutting edge out stars from the interstate eating studios. Take care my friends we'll talk to next week.