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Welcome defeat in the zone show not sports and faith and how that to come together in widescreen touch. Right now discover how people in sports and walking saves but host Mike we give burned and pastor can kill her. On sports Radio One 057 FM the fan. Unknown. One on the Green Zone on sports Radio One 057 app from the fantasy team. I think I might secure our opponents does my co host it's. And every week he's the head pastor at brook side Baptist Church. Pastor Ken Keller pastor you do today Mike I'm doing great I think people are there going to be wonder I mean every time you go introduce Nina cracked and a which you know the IT's legs to get your headset out there. Qaeda it was awesome yeah who came right on non magnet yeah right here radio dispatcher doesn't. Oil for weeks that I'm excited about today show I gotta tell you I had a chance to talk to our guest. For awhile and he's to a really good work. And he is. He's got very dedicated. And in that light that he's not afraid to get up on the mountaintop he's doctor Ed used Hinske with athletes in action actor and how you doing today. I'm doing pretty good here in is 80. And then on news in the middle of February and not know on the ground. Right. Answer we are residences where were we there. Where where in we can't really bad knee he doesn't say Wisconsin the way I think Wisconsin a Wisconsin. Mentally 800 years from he's for delta Oklahoma Oklahoma. Oh yeah in other members that are bad guys to sit boomer sooner. You excuse that's great he is all about the sooners doctorate so you know we can bypass any friends relatives that you from Oklahoma it seems like as a show distant cousins to cut drove through Oklahoma wants it but let's our domestic climate. Let's let's talk a little bit about what you do for athletes in action what so what is your job to. Well for the last year all over mean that the development of a new web site ideas. Raping an exceptional or about that. A completely re done. That web platform that we move it from being ordered online brochure organization. Or content it. Site. Elect startup business and they everything attic of the and been doing very well. He looks if we can't throughout the show let's flood the website. Is it ai eight dot org. That's actually athletes in action that work. A little more complicated than that athletes in action work. And yet but to have people come check it out at it's really taken. You at a billion. Visitors in and folks that are coming back or more to see what's going on there each week which our goal was from the from the get go. And I I know I've been on their last couple of days and the changes is really remarkable. It's hard to go one. That website in this is a true complement. It is to make sure that you have 1520 minutes put aside. Because once you get on the website you start looking and at different things it it's harder to walk away from so congratulations with that. Appreciate you saying that might that was really the goal right that all people think that in a brochure because. That's really that beavers are we hoped we be able to get from people that it would become a destination site. And that they would be out there that would just add and you're thinking about sports. I'm glad you had that experience there. Now do you need him to repeat that had. Yeah I hope I'll be that it and I would not vote that pay him. Trust them bills covered up okay. Did nothing for freon feasted this a table and don't you gets opted for free update the zone would you give for free pastor. What do I get for frail when I'll tell you listen brook side bad to surveil answer ovation I salute at yeah all of them and my mom you're fired you are on fire today that it affect them. And fire. He let's talk if we keep an eye doctor a little bit about where you grew up in doubt where you went to school stuff like that. Yet at. About out west the Ohio Obama mid western art. And that grew up very much. Sport and Lehman debt school bought coats. Use the big schools. In western clean and that's gonna let that group of locker room. Friday night life. And political football coaches light that the sport a lot of actually. Selling basketball. Yeah. On the shipment ever fluid that about that is can be that I acted out of baseball. That is group and sports gambling kind of back and bad days where. It still actually pretty forward on their own and just pick up game all over the place as a bit. I do now mind you I miss those days I to. This him. He. Meant that that's big time high school football there. It really is. You know the old god am at a travel and an agreement realize that Ohio areas. The mega State's first book ball in the country. That that sort of what I is grew up experiencing. You know big school football that you can expect. He is plant and every move every week and so it it's always a fun on Friday that out. Pay and what position did you play pro ball. Well what I did play football you know what I should do well I'd you know and by day. Until our sensor in in your attic and get the count right. So it was abruptly removed from that position and I'll get or one on that inning crushed. At a level that I did that in Italy that probably earn out lawyer. Book ball. What what what your size how tolerant. Well 6262. And a half bird. What anyone back in all I know there was only the pretty cute guy lined up that little. Thing you've been pretty quick he got for all the good guys aren't he'd been. The right. Up pretty cute. I would just started getting the snap count wrong portico and you know it just that other guy was Smart when. Joked about it. There public ever that. It really want it and let it go purpose. So what did you dead have to say much playing center. Are you not old emblem and you. Got to take those like that that ushered in the basketball. And not focus then ninth grade back equity everything. I remember asking my debt wouldn't think I had the best. It between baseball football basketball and in that basketball. In as is often the case in other words mean but. The strongest thing you know in life basically let go everything spoke. All right school. So you never played football for your dead them. I didn't create keeping it he all holes got hired. At school. You know get into all of that it was a number of things happen at that happened wound up coaching. My school's rival. So yeah. For four years or about where which would they in during their a game that happened in that year. Now I I would stay in the middle and that might meets norm root for them. Emma my dad no ma'am root for you now ideally these guys go to school with that. I was sitting. I was seen although that they. Could we play major there was evidence that out and vote. You know and we had Bobby Bowden on and then his son Tommy on. And when Tony was commissioning Clemson. Did the war and one year they did beat a Florida State. I think it's Torres scored 2017. And we asked him what what did you dead SAT admin field he said. Good game son that you're now around the world. It was awesome so hey let's say if we can end with a time we have left in it in this segment. On talk will be about that basketball why you pretty good high school player then you went on the college. Outlook good. I was at the bottom. Latter. Oh rapper fighters and hustled. My way into goodness if you will allow that to guard it at her age. Back in the day but I. In the days at the bottom of it. That makes. And so you would what I gradually. We have been. Programs and another created diversions in my in my life although Italy every year. After school. And while I was. With approaching that was that the your being that good level level the level I was there was. You EB. Basically pretty minor league ball although there. Hope for the year after I graduated. Word got back he's the assistant coach Kent State that I villages that thing that but he chemist in that is and a the basketball back move forward back and get the bug to play again. I want that or the state as a preferred walk and that it there 1987. All night in Atlantic and they'd walk. And we did we had a conversation. In off the or buy it. What happened at Kent State that if we get to keep going to that I'll wasn't exactly what you'd expect. Not go away at any outward power cord to a lot at that time. Completely committed myself to sports that are completely rule it. With basketball supposedly Indian bird out there in mind you know like that I got the bug in. At a fraction to Mike gain. When I got. Though. I've really done again rock which is. I guess existential questions here so questions. And it was really struggle no one in my year. And now what what happens if I'd die you know little questions that everybody thinks. Leases were basically bring them up. And it was a really struggle with them while. The invited the realist law firm that Lee. In the middle of those history I was. I'm the guy that was about it and I was certainly ahead of the probably the worst. I was struggling. I remember in mayors we run. These different route where you disprove them in the outline would jump stop and ended we called the LA and brought the court. It is. Stand in line that you Watson. You know. What what might be here again this is what my leg is going to be. You know what what is what is true. It Conakry and I think back about it. But the question that nobody knew about it and I did at and ago way. Thought that Gordon and pocket that says cinco. About coming. I don't really know what to expect. Tree basketball coach. To quit. On sequestered they can. And certainly weapons and equipment they would vote so. Open outlook rate today it would happen it would you'd horrible terror currently make. Wanted to get a scholarship that was Michael oh. And anything that they doubt about that after that saint I would. Pursue the question though. Well all of that in need to have public broke they called. And it turned out they Rowling whose is that realistic and and the space is no question. Boy that's. You know you don't know and at that time. Doctor Blake obviously billboard had a plan for you. And I yeah there are things that have happened in in everybody's passage. When it's happening in your think Kent. Black either I didn't see this commoner I don't understand why this happened and and then Elvis and you're two down the road you go OK I now acknowledge it understand. Why does this affect the you know why this happened in my life. It might well walk back. Members partners and pictures. From here light snapshot is clear that on I remember walking back door. And it is dark gains. Part of me felt rip the very disappointed obviously that and basketball. Ought. But I also on the freedom and and got room you'd expect the public. Wasn't necessarily a prayer for men and that we group. Very religious home in England shirts on Sunday it was really troubled place over on the beat for the brown. So. But I have had an adamant. In. In my mind that if it got. If you're out there. It's time now they show me what this ball and if you dare I need some chances to my question. And you know not been happening in that moment but I acting as a member. Brian I get that guy. That night and sure enough with in the next couple weeks I ended meet. Campus ministers really what they work. Bad guys that went in there. Who did a little column in our school's newspaper and guess what did he answered people's spiritual questions. And I started in his name and it started in the current questions that people were asked what happens. You know is there god and how we know how do you know what true there's goodness I can do. Well let me in other Sanders and explaining. Really surprised it. And explain the blacks are a lot about those. My first exposure really. It into the Bible somebody actually knew his way around in there. And and he wasn't the only one I've met here and there were in different organizations. That. Just sort of patiently to you know they're waiting. In building began to explain immune either slowed quite keen to hear why. All things that I had heard of the port. About how. People. Well yeah yep relevant in my own life and now than died in all coming together. Then the old dual YouTube song that had only been out a couple of years that I have are looking for. Men that this. This is it I'm pretty sure this is exactly what look what this person Jesus. Not probably the most surprise property and state day of February. Try to live my own life and figure things out. It really will walk it. Walk in and if he would happen. That's awesome Specter we need to get to break other separate will continue our conversation. As we talk with doctor reddy's its key. Do yourself a favor athletes in action athletes in action dot org is the website there were gonna talk about a lot later in the show. But I would I would really recommend that you go there because if you were there a year ago or a maybe even to eleven months ago. It's changed. And it's changed the point that puts up 1520 minutes society. Go to it you're gonna really joyous time she spent he and athletes in action dot org or get your break because said the break or continue with doctor Ed he's Hinske. This is faith in his own. I'm sports Radio One 057 FM. The fan. Back to faith in the zone the journey on how people in sports walking pace. Thief in the zone is brought to you by. Bundles of old fashioned meat market. Here's host Mike maybe ever. And pastor can kill an hour plus sports Radio One 057 FM the fan. Mean. I won't back to meet its own bonds were pretty 1057. From the fans. I might be giver alongside pastor can Keller from port side Baptist Church. Our special guest this week doctor Ed Gusinsky with athletes in action adventure. Yeah and Mike a money as you might see because we always talk about how we love to hear Alec journey began. With a faith in Christ and Ed is like right there you know with what was going on can't stay at had to go to break grants to arts and yeah. Well I'm I'm already so edge is just take Kevin tells a little more what happens here. Well I could say that it's I had some questions are always there and is Mormon inquisitive. Tight adult like is the way they come on get double in the Luke the why. And have people and there is and there are things you know so like that a burden meet guys accidentally where we're OK it was a question. And and actually had a sense of directors and inside it continued down that. That I remember one time the island that in English. A lot. It. Freshman years. And you know and every class insisting Uga like he would talk about it. He. You really think you can get away from Korea Crist. Can't street yeah. But of course most of its on the waited for it as a negative thing. And I can remember meet with a guy on saga that are. That about. Centers at December actually it. He was the way it got. That that you were really was. Something different that would other religious leaders. Remove reused it elderly black. Elder Carter Gilbert Carter wins name. Still remember him slowly pulled out acres of out of his pocket white and Warren eggs when he in Spain where it starts slip over the Bible. To the Balkans. That argues that on the way and on the true. And on the light and no one comes to the father except through me. And. Period yeah you know and so what does that mean I guess that wasn't true and anything in that moment but in a certain requests they ease. In fact things and so. You know in my classes were where it was always being inserted it there are related each is pretty much say the same thing I knew well enough from lead by a would you believe did not use the they have some pretty radically different day. About themselves and in so that was just becoming more more clear to me at all or not. So. I ended. In its demise. Despair eating content on my religion and that is of course and of course got a girlfriend. Prisons they use aryan and the girl let it turned out all of the vote they. Back. Which I've never before like I said oh Christian subculture thing really new enemy. And she invited me to come to a tree with an iron that where an eight. What I think that the it. And pack as well and meant more people there then and back and think about sink at the was aptly. Like oh Berkshire. Equivalent gonna you know spiritual questions would never be asked. Now in sport and sure characters there's 200 other people if they're thinking about these thing. And let in at. 2034. In the morning is talking guys or guys guys appreciate this. I forgot this could use this week because this scene retreat actually our property you're. One of the guys that immediately. Answered my question that. Was Tony Dungy. Who at the time. It backs coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Was actually Elin beaver all as being. Coats building before anybody knew who was a forty. The coaching latter was making himself available college students by myself that question about state. Any patiently that talked here don't worry. He'd fit into the scriptures. And it was just a powerful. No what what little. Hoopla about it it was very matter of fact I'm back on the went too little service on campuses. The preacher and this time that I sit in the back and but he and date. They will pray about it get out there except. I am heartbeat access. It. Will bring on the front a year. And tell me and got he. Oh. But I thought oh. God more I just read it again my elected he would not even language on the ultimately. Are rendered in I don't. I don't wanna eat bite marks CNET now and a red and a in the Bible that is this confirmed inside it there's something to write about this. In outlook qualities. But we prayed that night I can remember in Baghdad in my. It's healing Ridley. Little bit scared you know you never know quite what to get into it. When you start surrendering your life stories rate right. But I can remember it this thing in this is this. This is what higher light according towards. At this moment. And if in fact this is true which I believe it to be true outlook for the rest of my light truck of other people who are like. Finding the same thing about. Which. 25 years later I'm still without sleep in action. Amen to that he is doctor Ed uses key athletes in action again. Athletes in action dot org a website and I would recommend. You know why that that was so powerful for me pastor. Because of the amount of coaches and guys that that I know that listen this show. That's that'll that'll come up quietly. You know in in that GM or supermarket. If they see me they'll be like you know bill yell at blood that high school basketball show you do look. But it fits faith in the zone league they walk up close and whisper. Gary Adams and that that that religion show you do I ago I I don't two religions so yeah you've got relationship I don't I. I do a show coffee in the zone and these guys. Are exactly were you work can't answer guy seen him look I have questions I keep humor about this thing on the little scared. To take that step. I've listened to his faith in resulting in its interest enemy. But I'm not sure that that's directional Monaco. And and so we're you work it what thank goodness for that curly and invited you I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. But many times in in in you know the I guess who we would cost some in the book where incidences that broader. But trauma. Theological view the world it was got. Its moments or just come off to a place. You know I always refer to those is divine appointments. And a guy gaga you know god brings people into your life. I guess is I was listening to the army has often element to you know you giving your life so. To help and others find the answer because people really truly Ers are searching coming. The young guy god but within me in this consciousness of himself so that's why EC religion just. His rampant I mean 300000 religions as long last figures that I saw. And so intelligent people or our look and and and or what is the truth you know I mean pilot asked Jesus that himself you know what his true people are looking for the truth. And at what was the elders name that that red Tia John 146. It was Gilbert Carter. Volunteers. And it is actually. Part of lacks that department and state. Campus at timer too weak as that would do that. That what it in the even more ironic animal white. Opinion in that department and that's rabbit Gilbert that would have crop. But I'm they're getting. There again another time employment and and knew we had the privilege of heaven that coach dungy on faith in the zone and and and you know what you know likened you to you and you could bring it above I mean he's he would talk with the platform yeah got a dinner until nine. I mean even before he was really human well moaned. He's using that platform is the. Sensing backs coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers you know talk to guys like him you know it doesn't surprise when he said look dude that you of this this football coaches errant. It didn't surprise me once I wouldn't say Tony Dungy yeah and it just didn't because. With this that when we had him mine and he talked about and he does it not pro rightfully. He he doesn't pat himself on the back buddies said look I believe in this somewhat said. I need to utilize this platform any chance I get I want to utilize a platform lord's given. And meanwhile I'm bottom line is this what we've been called a bit. Right you know I mean and I mean jesus' last command was that we're gonna be a witness a pain that oddity want them. You know kind of focus on someone said a man's last words are lasting words on mean that was Jesus is last words to this is believers. To go out and do we just want so. No matter what your occupation as you know that's what you do who you are Europe your child of god wanting to. Show someone else how they can find the truce and end up a lot of hear from the man has awesome. Well and talk about coats. And the other athlete might as so like is now. Coach dungy what a pity he made himself available I mean it was a I didn't even know who he was. If you have any and you've played for the Steelers in all. But he was a fellow these. Who was not afraid of my question. And didn't try at all there's. But it is made himself available we we go. You know he could take me a little further down on the road more than they were so able to support. That will in the go get. You know it's just the question that he and advances toward anybody can be back at the beautiful thing about it. You make that available. And you're willing to reach in and grab on to. That are eking it look at that there are certain. Reached forward and a little bit edit it which it answers so I'm really powerful beautiful things can happen. You know Ed you says some there right there and I don't know I've ever sit on the air and ever since you might but I want you know it's there are people out there and they're saying hey. Is there someone available disheartening. You got my number all right Michael Powell wanna talk to all wanna help them because I don't this this this is what's was so important and. And you know what shall I like this stage show is right up your Alley pastor because. I it doesn't matter were you wore what to what day it is what time it is a worry you war I've watched you and action. I've watched you when anybody has questioned or anybody wants to talk or you're just corpus are talking to him. Because you eat this is what you this we are in this what you believe. Before getting to break doctrine that we had a guy on Aggies shot but this satellite news at division three college basketball coach from the state of Indiana. Adhesive look I was really good at talking about my faith. And decidedly not players in the locker room but I struggled. Outside a lot Crump I've really struggled in it in Indy in the grocery store. In you know in the supermarket in the gas station. And he said I read a book call one not a fan. And expect to lecture three bucks to get a bracelet one of these rubber bracelets that says I'm not a fan. He says they're wearing that bracelet and I'd be in the supermarket so you'd see they say that porch to a fair enough. NEC I'm not a fan of Jesus Christ. And people would be like watch. NBC and not a fan just feeds in the sidelines. On the follow work and I talked T about it. He said. You don't work he's scared I was able to talk to more people because that three dollar bracelet that anything else I've done ever so I you know there's always there's always awake guys we have yet to break. Other side of break we'll continue our conversation. With doctor Ed he's Hinske I did athletes in action. Good athletes in action dot org for more information if you haven't seen that website in the last eleven months or so go to it now. There's some great articles in fact we're gonna talk to. A doctor at about one that Bechtel was written a couple years ago but they put back up here recently. Does god care who wins. Sounds like Aaron Rodgers and Seattle Cora a Russell Wilson's William Russell Wilson's argument that idea and we'll find out willow we'll talk to doctor about that. Along with a lot of other things he's been a great guest this is faith in the zone on sports Radio One 057 FM the fan. Welcome back to faith in the zone in inside look at people in sports and Milwaukee famous face in. Is brought to you by all American window and door. Here's host Mike we get burned and pastor can kill learn. On sports Radio One 057 FM the fan. Mean. Welcome back to being in the zone and sports review 1057. App from the fans. I might be curing themselves treatment workman's pastors and cal a lot of my gloves I Baptist Church our special guest actor Ed Gusinsky. He's with athletes in action. And to be honest with you guys who will I've got about seventy more segments I could do with accurate this I really do appreciate your time. And trust him and I tell you where you need to get to get you back on the show. On soon because we're neck and get it nearly as much stuff is I'd hoped. Specter let's talk a little bit about you start with athletes next you've been with them how one. Matt congratulations. On that you where to where it's a great organization. Yeah I can't believe that there are countless say that it. Is built by the bat desperately. I didn't plan on being an app that keys in my life but it. Everything that. Bought it got. It needed you have been able to do to this organization. And at different roles and the opportunities. Minister spoke in different ways so it's been great from my own grow at a great place where. He before we get more and athletes in action I talked to a little bit about you getting your doctor and on and how impressive that is in congratulations on on that end and I said to him you pastor said should call you know died doctor edge Gusinsky your. He said well he goes up you and I said look you were and a man I'm I'm go with doctor ideas that's a difficult thing to do or did you go to school for that. I want to Bowling Green right here in Ohio said the couple hours that the road from where right here outside of Dayton and I commuted up there for years so would have moved the family around and and it worked out good or. Well congratulations. On that I know that so what do what a great accomplishment. They are now I'm on the website athletes in action dot org. I I only pulled one and I read a number of them but the but this just great out because we've had this conversation. And the article Richard that you wrote does god care who wins. Let's talk a little bit about that because it's funny you know you're you're talking the talk to people that might not have much of a faith based in their life. And they'll they'll always make comments about would you really think I tears of Tim Tebow its claim footballer. You know this team talks about praying you root for the game and after the game. You go to these players really think god cares who wins a football game or basketball camp. And then this article that that you wrote a couple of years ago meant he made some great points. What's your feeling on that doctrine how do you I do you approach shot that question. One of the reasons why we started to keep that question around it is because there's so many layers do it. And and like we'll let. What goes on and our culture that. That program called American culture that. Which is exactly what it is betting Eric. All in the moment that we and it. And auditing its true right now for. That we don't look very good job thinking well. About issues about questions were very much needs your reaction there and whatever comes to a question at him back but that's a control. And we sort of learn to take. On I don't think much about it. And this is one of those questions with them within the state realm of will that come. You'd that year. Round. Gain that got care about this game. And ultimately the incident of course he. Because he cared about it. Is that any yellow light it doesn't matter what we're going to get this is what I care. And that you mentioned. You know it'd been a number of Christians that you have a name that would cause here or the number is affiliated people hurt. It is train before it gains cut and here she's aware and alert. And it would become those silly about the reality that. It got a boat. They're trade him before. There is there. You know. There's men and women that have done horrible saying this has been limited though. Oh four. Well although I heard the criteria is it. Determined. How dot views about the game and ultimately is this is really made it sound like a punt but we don't know. Exactly how it is that he cares about the gains or why it is ears but he's certainly working out his purposes and is and through every single thing that happens in life including the game. I'll stop there and that you that you guys respond. I'm. Yeah armed his son take it then IA I totally agree with you he does scare. I think what. Boy you're doing. And others. Around the country are doing. That claimed to be a that would call themselves a Christian is what they care about is what god cares about my god cares about ultimately. Is that when we die that will that was him eternally. And in and night in the process you know you have jobs you have games you have and different things like like that that your. You're you're going through life doing. And whether or win or lose my dad always there when asked me this question. Will you be able to to say to the lord you do your best. You know if you did your best. Used to always tell me it's no disgrace to fail or even to lose but it's a sand. If you do less than your best. And so that was kind of you know my father just one home via the lord on Thanksgiving Day in and I thought what a great day to go home on Thanksgiving Day to deal with the war at. But he really. A he had a principle that he used to always sitting with the principle of dual indeed do you do little for the glory of god or not. And I know you wrote on here you know so and because some guys do come on afterward you know in the post game interview. And you know wanna thank the lord and and I know. Usually when that happens you know believers are their ears are perking up you know when especially when they say something that the lord Jesus Christ I heard broke far. INS. Acceptance of being in the football whole thing and Stanton. And heroes right and is now president because I just was like allergies is crises my savior I mean it is. You know kind of floored me but they Kangas back to. Some what Tony Dungy was saying and if guys giving you platform to say some things and commitment. It in this article if I can't what would I thought dude what jumped off the page you mean it was really well written. I doctorate Boe in the paragraph yes he cares. But god most certainly does care who wins not in the way we deal and is currently not in the way implied by most post game interviews. He cares about everything that happens in the universe. I I like to that paragraph the most for me when when you talk but to suggest he doesn't care who wins. Is repressed in the corner. Opposite but it just is ridiculous of the idea that he remains vast it like a Vegas gambler. Indeed his concern regarding game extends far beyond our own thin ideas of fig tree defeat profit loss. Success and failure. Yet I look. As we talked about early on with with your arm journey. Out doctored we do we talked about things happen for a reason I like that the paragraph that talks about. Look what what is winning gonna do to somebody's life from what is he losing you due to some he's like. And and I think that's what god cares about. I think you just care about it you know that that we are competing in and what you can do to somebody's life if they are on the mountaintop. Or they just lost at the last second you know what what's gonna happen Howard begin to react and world what what two wrecks and does that push their life that. Yeah you know it this well at all. Well. The word. Connection that I think we've made over time and because it is the only time you have real thing that they write that girl. Yeah Pakistan and haven't. You know what coach Quinn can argue work. We're in Queens state. Journey and at this point but what does that you're exactly. You know when they put the Mike in front of more than one payment lowered behavior so great and it. But we don't usually kill mayor but that would have been it is true statement if you could accept that. But we don't ever hear that wouldn't lose this weird. Association that aura outlook for me between god and the winning. Out and I think that that people. Oil again I think it was backing it though but you can. As manipulate got to give him the code via your. You got them. Under which can. That they can't go low we and the thing. They're making their way that it got may be a war with the subway it would sure seemed to. And see that we use with the marginalized people. It go or. The people that were being paid attention and that would be been considered. And at any. And really. You know the people that power in the people's. And then you'll let me go to would have been considered winners. Again at that he's against winning. It is means that we just awarded. Winning and losing that idea that got some outside the winner must. Yeah I I create yup here's doctor reddy's its key with athletes and actually go to athletes in action dot org. For more information on what they're doing guys got to get to break this his faith in zone on sports pretty 1057 FM the fan. More now of faith in this zone discovering people of sports in their walking face. Faith in the zone is brought to you by young expressed. That the host Mike and give Vernon and pastor Ken Kellner and on sports Radio One 057 FM. The fans. Okay. I want. Back to being the zone on sports Radio One 057 up from the fans. I might bring your remarks that pastor can tell there. For brook side Baptist church and our special guest doctor Ed Gusinsky with athletes in action guys we got just a couple minutes here. In now in our last segment. Doctorate I can't think you enough for your time. I wish I had a great conversation with you a couple of times. Off your kitty ready for the show. And done this this has been a really good show which didn't reach a lot of people than ever in trusted I think you what you have to say. And trust me I'm gonna be bugging you to come back on the show you know we just didn't get to as much as I'd hoped. Because it's always trusting. The journey that you had. And the amount of people that pitcher reach you with athletes in action. Is incredible. I'm I wish you the best man I wish you good luck hearing. In. In the near future with everything you guys are trying to accomplish hate the podcast that you were doing is that no longer up for awhile. You know we we stopped that you months ago I was there any bright and and bright. A sports show not unlike yours but he doesn't and it caught on acting. And in North Carolina in for a couple years. We did this so called under review where we would take this sport issues that we're being talked about during the week similar what part eruption yet and optics. And and we would put them under review each day or once a week rather. In look at him for more theological perspective both in the article respect Angela they'd eaten. Maybe it was absolutely analysis would be or at least if that be produced a different directions. And then at the end now officially in a typical sport show which has really led. There's an athlete an action that award it's really what we're trying to do on that site. Think the very relevant thing that people were talking about it on the water there are about sports radio and looking at a from the different directions. From any perspective from. From Christian perspective really what would it look like. To take any particular incident. And how to eat dinner at this moment will come out with some adjusting. Pieces that you mentioned. Pay the next next time we have you want were gonna start with what what you think about signing day in college football so. We we discussed that before and were on the same page and that I I I don't see anything could come in from that. To be honest with you but we will next time we have actor exit ski from athletes in action on. We'll ask him about that the other thing when asked about past of that one advocates who didn't he played reverend athletes in action teams who who yeah you'll play colleges who. He's planned that and to guard probably right now yeah. Q well you could shoot it can you still should. I get my legs a little messy but I try to put the load whatever it. You sound young to me is sounds like you could use the dribble dribble penetration and kick yeah maybe he can a guy like. Went into this to a you know of his legs or wreck if there jolly voice he's not going to press some guys between me. You don't buy any type guys got it yet doctorate thank you so much sir. Thank you up properly stated Mike the sports talk with. You've got to 'cause they are skewed to send it to say listen in this his faith in the zone on exports pretty 1057. FM. The fan. You've been listening defeat in the zone with host Mike and give Ernie and pastor can help now. You can hear. Feet in the zone every Sunday at ADM. To find pat show's exclusive podcast sporting contribute with an inside tip for guest simply go defeat in the zone dot com. Faith in the zone is an inside look at people's sports and their walk in faith and join us again next Sunday for faith in the zone right here on sports Radio One 057 FM so fans. Well yeah. You know saying soon. More service. Noted she's the.